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Higher ed IT isn’t just about technology—it’s about leadership, strategy, and navigating the unique challenges of institutional culture. And we’ve seen it all. Two retired Canadian Higher Ed CIOs—and CUCCIO CIO of the Year winners—Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson—bring decades of experience tackling technology, governance, and innovation in Canadian universities. In Bytes of Experience: CIOs Unplugged, they cut through the noise to discuss real challenges, real solutions, and the realities of IT leadership. Expect deep insights, candid discussions, and plenty of humor—because IT isn’t always glamorous, but it’s always interesting. Whether you’re a seasoned pro or new to the field, join them for an unfiltered look at the digital evolution of higher ed IT.
Episodes

Jan 5, 2026
Jan 5, 2026
32 min
Two retired Canadian CIOs and guest Laurie McMullin trace the evolution of Canada’s digital research infrastructure—from servers under desks and fragmented funding to a national strategy led by the Digital Research Alliance of Canada (DRAC). Through advocacy, summits, and hard conversations, CIOs, librarians, VPRs, and funders reshaped how infrastructure is funded, secured, and shared across institutions.

Dec 30, 2025
Dec 30, 2025
44 min
Hosts Dana Sanderson and Bo Wandschneider reflect on the first 15 episodes of Bytes of Experience, distilling recurring themes like people-centered leadership, trust, change management, mentorship, security, and the intersection of technology and human connection.
They share memorable quotes, the "seven T's" of leadership (transparency, trust, translation, timing, tenacity, togetherness, temperament), lessons from guests about collaboration and governance, and practical takeaways about running a podcast and staying connected to the community.

Dec 22, 2025
Dec 22, 2025
41 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson talk with Martin Bernier, CIO at the University of Ottawa, about what happens when a faculty IT team joins forces with campus IT. Martin shares the story of integrating the Faculty of Medicine’s IT group into the enterprise fold—why the decision was made, how the process unfolded, and what others can learn from it.
But beyond structure and strategy, this conversation is about leadership with heart. Martin reflects on the importance of transparency, trust, timing, and people, showing how integration succeeds when leaders focus on relationships as much as reporting lines. From governance shifts to benchmarking data, and from friction points to new efficiencies, Martin’s story is a case study in leading with clarity, collaboration, and compassion.
Listeners will walk away with insights not just on IT integration, but on the kind of leadership that builds teams, inspires confidence, and makes change sustainable.

Dec 15, 2025
Dec 15, 2025
35 min
Bytes of Experience revisits CanSoC with guest Isaac Straley to explore how shared security works in practice. The episode digs into trust, real-time signal sharing, regional SOCs, equity across provinces, and how leadership can build a sustainable, collaborative cybersecurity model amid rising costs and AI-driven threats.
Listeners will hear practical examples, governance and technical challenges, and a call to stay committed to a vision of collective resilience for Canada’s post-secondary sector.
CanSSOC - https://canssoc.ca/

Dec 8, 2025
Dec 8, 2025
50 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo and Dana sit down with David Shipley, CEO and Co‑Founder of Beauceron Security, to explore how leadership shapes cybersecurity culture in higher education. Shipley argues that building community and trust is the real work of leaders — the tools will follow. He also shares insights on where higher ed stands today in terms of security posture compared to other sectors, and why those who believe they’re “not a target” actually click 37% more often.
The conversation highlights:
- Why higher ed’s open culture demands leadership beyond technical controls
- How CIOs and executives can model behaviour that drives awareness and trust
- The role of governments and policy in supporting institutional leaders
- Lessons from phishing simulations and faculty pushback that reveal the human side of leadership
Shipley’s journey from university IT leader to entrepreneur underscores a powerful message: cybersecurity is a leadership challenge, not just a technical one.

Nov 24, 2025
Nov 24, 2025
31 min
COO Maroquine Aziz joins Dana and Bo to explore leadership beyond the IT silo—where systems thinking meets strategic vision. From her dual background in computer science and business, Maro shares how transformational leadership thrives on cross-functional partnerships, trust, and the ability to translate between tech and business.
This episode dives into:
- What digital transformation really means (hint: it’s not just new tools)
- Making AI a driver of change, not a side experiment
- Operational excellence as a mindset, not a metric
- Rethinking KPIs to include purpose, people, and platforms
- Navigating CIO–COO tension with radical candor and shared goals
Whether you're a CIO, COO, or aspiring leader, this conversation offers practical insights on building trust, driving change, and earning your seat at the strategic table.
About Maroquine Aziz:
Maroquine is a seasoned transformation leader and COO with a track record of driving strategic change across complex organizations. As Founder of TopFractionalExecs, she provides agile, high-impact executive support to help companies stabilize, scale, and navigate critical moments of change. Her expertise spans organizational transformation, process optimization, and change management—blending strategic insight with hands-on execution.

Nov 20, 2025
Nov 20, 2025
34 min
You're listening to Bytes of Experience with Dana Sanderson and Bo Wandschneider, joined by Lori McMullen, the inaugural ED of CUCCIO. In this episode Lori traces CUCCIO’s origins, growth, and role as a national forum for Canadian university CIOs.
They discuss early challenges and wins—cloud adoption, cybersecurity, joint procurement—and CUCCIO’s evolution from a peer support group to a collective advocacy voice, including how it helped CIOs navigate crises like COVID-19.

Nov 10, 2025
Nov 10, 2025
31 min
Keith McWhirter, a retired higher ed IT leader and coach, discusses closing the gap between technology and people by focusing on communication, engagement, and the ‘translator’ role that connects the server room to the boardroom.
The episode covers shared leadership, transparency, overcoming a culture of fear around new features, lessons from COVID collaboration, and Keith’s next chapter as a no-fly-zone nomad and career coach.
Resources
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🎧 Episodes released - Season 1 - Part 1
S01-E01 -Unfiltered CIOs: People, Power & Campus Tech - BETA
S01-E02 From Mainframes to the Cloud: Higher Ed IT Unfiltered - BETA
S01-E03 CIO Tightrope: Balancing Tech Strategy and Campus Culture - Part 1 - BETA
S01-E04 CIO Tightrope: When Innovation Meets Tradition: Navigating Cultural Conflict - Part 2 - BETA
S01-E05 Where IT Nightmares Become Leadership Legends—And Sometimes, Laughs. Part 1 - BETA
S01-E06 Where IT Nightmares Become Leadership Legends—And Sometimes, Laughs. Part 2 - BETA
S01-E07 - Guest Isaac Straley - The CISO Tightrope: Balancing Boards, CIOs, and Campus Culture
S01-E08 -Cutting Ourselves Short: IT Strategy and the Budget Crisis → Guest - Gayleen Gray, CTO, McMaster University
S01-E09 - Benchmarking for change: Uniforum and the University if Alberta Model Guest - Brian Stewart, CIO SFU (former Director Service Excellence Transformation UofA)
S01-E10 - IT Is Something You Do With People, Not To People → Guest Keith McWhirter, former Director of Experiential Partnerships & Programs, Smith School of Business, Queen’s University
S01-E11- How CUCCIO United Canada’s University CIOs: The Untold Story → Guest Lori McMullen, Founding Executive Director of CUCCIO
S01-E12- Beyond the Silo: Translating Tech into Transformation - CIO Meets COO → Guest Maroquine Aziz COO and Founder of TopFractionalExecs
S01-E13- Leading Culture, Not Just Controls: Cybersecurity in Higher Ed → Guest David Shipley CEO and Co Founder, Beauceron Security
S01-E14 - Stronger Together: A CanSSOC Conversation Guest Isaac Straley
S01-E15- Uniting Forces: How uOttawa Aligns IT for Impact Guest Martin Bernier, CIO University of Ottawa
S01-E16 Year in Review — Leadership, Trust, and the Human Side of Tech CO Hosts Dana Sanderson and Bo Wandschnieder
S01-E17- From Servers Under Desks to a National Strategy: The CIO’s Role in Shaping Canada’s Digital Research Future Guest Lori McMullen, Interim VP Operations & Strategy
S01-E18- - IT Leadership at the Board Table: Lessons from Marc Denoncourt, Retired CIO McGill University
S01-E19-The Human Side of Transformation: Mark Humphries on Listening, Culture, and Trust Guest Mark Humphries, CIO University of Alberta
S01-E20 When Auditors Meet CIOs: Building Trust in University IT Governance Guest Alex Matos, Executive Director of Internal Auditor University of Toronto
🎧 Episodes released - Season 1 - Part 2
S01-E21 - Beyond IT: How CIOs Win Influence in the Boardroom Guest Kevin Magee, Global Director Cybersecurity Startups @ Microsoft for StartUps , University Board Member Brock University and UPEI
S01-E22-Crossing Systems, Building Culture: Jason Oliver on Leading Higher Ed IT in Canada
Guest Jason Oliver - CIO Western University
S01-E23- When Libraries and IT Converge: A Decade of Leadership at the University of Guelph
Guest Mike Ridley
S01-E24-Leading Across Borders: Higher Ed IT Lessons
Guest Richard Godsmark
S01-E25- Process Is Strategy: Gary Doucette on Culture, Change, and Continuous Improvement
Guest Gary Doucette - Strategic Advisor, Acadia University
01-E26-People First: How Culture Transforms Healthcare
Guest Michele James
S01-E27 - Curiosity, Consciousness, and Culture Change in Higher Ed Guest Meghan Kirwin
S01-E28: Stronger Together: Shared Security Models and Global Cyber Partnerships Guest - Kevin Paul - Cybera
S01-E29-Leading with Inclusion: Nela Petkovic on Collaboration, Culture, and Cybersecurity Guest - Nela Petkovic CIO Wilfred Laurier University
S01-E30 -Growing IT Leaders: Inside Cuccio’s Leadership Development Program Guests - Bob Cook, CUCCIO LDP Program Leader; Gayleen Gray, AVP & CTO McMaster University
S01-E31-Leading with Heart and Strategy: Lessons from the Toughest Guest - Sandeep Sidhu , CIO Emily Carr University of Art and Design
S01-E32 - The Power of Human Connection: Why Leaders Can’t Ignore It Anymore Guest - Pete Bombaci, Genwell
S01-E33-Leading Across Campus Cultures: Michael Barr on Polytech, Non‑U15, and U15 Realities Guest - Michael Barr, CIO USask
S01-E34 - From the Court to the Core: Ray Darling on Leadership, Data, and Student Experience Guest - Ray Darling , Registrar University of Windsor
S01-E35- Leadership in Practice: Lessons from a CUCCIO LDP Graduate Guest - Darren Schell, CIO University of Lethbridge
🎧 Future Episodes
(Working titles)
National Cybersecurity Collaboration: Where We Are, What’s Working, and What’s Holding Us Back
Guest - Axel Schulz , CANARIE
Advocacy, Research Ecosystems, and the Future of Sovereign Compute
Guest - Jennifer Arbour, AWS
Please send us your ideas for future episodes:
feedback@BytesofExperience.ca

Bo Wandschneider - Co Host
Bo Wandschneider is a nationally respected leader in higher education IT, known for driving innovation, resilience, and strategic transformation. As the recently retired CIO of the University of Toronto, Bo led one of Canada’s largest higher ed IT organizations through pivotal change—including the rapid shift to virtual learning and remote operations during the COVID-19 pandemic. His leadership fostered agility, cohesion, and a deep culture of service during a time of disruption.
In 2024, Bo was named CUCCIO CIO of the Year, recognizing his outstanding contributions to the sector and his role in shaping the future of digital infrastructure in Canadian higher education.
Bo’s influence reaches across Canada through his work on cybersecurity initiatives like ORION ON-CHEC and CANARIE’s CanSSOC, where he was a founding member. He’s also held senior roles at Queen’s University and the University of Guelph, and is a trusted collaborator among CIOs nationwide—championing shared solutions and sector-wide progress.
Renowned for building high-performing teams and empowering others, Bo leads with a collaborative ethos and a commitment to cultural transformation. He creates environments where innovation thrives, people feel valued, and institutions evolve to meet the future. His work is rooted in partnership—connecting organizations to achieve more together than they could alone.

Dana Sanderson - Co Host
Dana Sanderson recently retired as Chief Information Officer at the University of Prince Edward Island (UPEI), where he spent over a decade leading transformative initiatives that modernized the university’s technology landscape. A UPEI alumnus with an MBA from the University of Ottawa, Dana spearheaded UPEI’s first enterprise-wide ERP implementation, overhauled campus network infrastructure, and championed digital solutions that enhanced the student experience and supported institutional sustainability. Earlier in his career, Dana worked for J.D. Irving, Limited in a number of IT leadership roles.
With more than 25 years of IT leadership experience at J.D. Irving, Limited and UPEI Dana has a strong reputation as a strategic leader and “bridge-builder” between business needs and technology solutions. He actively represented the interests of UPEI as well as the Atlantic region through his board and member contributions to NBPEIECN, NREN, DRAC, and CUCCIO. His contributions to the Canadian higher education IT community were recognized with the 2023 CUCCIO Community Award, and he was a finalist for the 2019 ITAC Canadian CIO of the Year Award.

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