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Higher ed IT isn’t just about technology—it’s about leadership, strategy, and navigating the unique challenges of institutional culture. And we’ve seen it all. Two retired Canadian Higher Ed CIOs—and CUCCIO CIO of the Year winners—Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson—bring decades of experience tackling technology, governance, and innovation in Canadian universities. In Bytes of Experience: CIOs Unplugged, they cut through the noise to discuss real challenges, real solutions, and the realities of IT leadership. Expect deep insights, candid discussions, and plenty of humor—because IT isn’t always glamorous, but it’s always interesting. Whether you’re a seasoned pro or new to the field, join them for an unfiltered look at the digital evolution of higher ed IT.
Episodes

Apr 27, 2026
Apr 27, 2026
45 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo and Dana talk with Michael Barr, CIO at the University of Saskatchewan, about what it really takes to lead IT across very different institutional cultures — from a polytechnic, to a non‑U15 university, to a major U15 research institution.
Michael brings a rare comparative perspective shaped by years at SAIT, MacEwan, and now USask. We explore how priorities shift across sectors, why pace and “clock speed” matter, and how community expectations — from faculty to industry partners — shape leadership practice. Michael also shares candid reflections on politics, governance, vendor strategy, burnout, and the mental shift required when moving between environments.
From the six‑hour weekly commute that fuels his thinking time to the realities of supporting hundreds of specialized learning spaces, Michael offers grounded insights for CIOs navigating scale, complexity, and cultural friction.
Topics include: • How leadership pressures differ across polytechnic, non‑U15, and U15 institutions • Why polytechnics operate at a faster “clock speed” • Community expectations and cultural differences between trades‑based and research‑based environments • Vendor strategy, staffing, and operational constraints across sectors • Governance, politics, and the art of influencing senates, unions, and deans • The mental cost of always being “on” — and how pace shapes leadership • What CIOs can learn from working in radically different institutional models
Book Recommendation:
Workflow Modeling: Tools for Process Improvement and Applications Development by Alec Sharpe.

Apr 20, 2026
Apr 20, 2026
40 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson sit down with Pete Bombacci, founder of GenWell, Canada’s human connection movement. Pete shares the powerful origin story behind GenWell — the 2003 Northeast blackout — when millions lost power and rediscovered something essential: each other. As he recalls, “When all the distractions are turned off… we need to connect with each other” .
The conversation explores why human connection is not just a personal need but a societal and organizational imperative. Pete outlines the evidence linking social connection to reduced risks of heart disease, dementia, diabetes, and burnout, and highlights how workplaces benefit through higher productivity, trust, collaboration, and retention. As he notes, “Increased productivity by over 20% when we have a culture of human connection” .
The trio digs into the realities of hybrid work, distributed teams, and the erosion of social capital. Pete explains why proximity alone doesn’t create connection — intentionality does. Leaders must move beyond “my door is always open” and instead curate shared experiences, build rituals, and model connection themselves. “Proximity is not the solution. It’s actually building a curated plan around activations to build human interaction” .
They also unpack the misunderstood nature of loneliness — a subjective, universal human experience — and why organizations must stop waiting for “warning signs” and instead build proactive cultures of connection. “Let’s stop trying to identify the people that are feeling that way. Let’s start building the proactive way of building the culture of human connection” .
The episode closes with rapid‑fire insights on habits that build connection, myths leaders should abandon, and the simple practices that help teams thrive.
This is a timely, energizing conversation for anyone leading people, shaping culture, or simply trying to build a more connected life.

Apr 13, 2026
Apr 13, 2026
40 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, we sit down with Sandeep Sidhu, CIO at Emily Carr University of Art + Design, to explore how leadership networks shape careers, confidence, and the ability to lead through uncertainty.
Sandeep shares her unconventional path into the CIO role — beginning with a six‑month secondment from SFU during the height of COVID — and how mentorship, community, and the courage to “test drive” leadership opened doors she once doubted she could walk through.
Drawing on her deep involvement in CUCCIO, the Leadership Development Program, EDUCAUSE, BCNet, and provincial committees, Sandeep reflects on how these networks provide wisdom, identity‑building, and the kind of informal mentorship that can change a career trajectory.
The conversation turns to the realities facing Canadian higher education: financial pressures, constrained budgets, and the challenge of balancing innovation with institutional survival. Sandeep offers a grounded but optimistic view — emphasizing stewardship, strategic simplification, trust-building, and the responsibility leaders have to create hope for their teams.
This episode is a masterclass in leadership grounded in humility, networks, and purpose — and a reminder that the CIO role is as much about people as it is about technology.
Book References:
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey
Living a Life That Matters by Harold Kushner

Apr 6, 2026
Apr 6, 2026
40 min
This episode of Bytes of Experience explores how Canadian universities are developing the next generation of IT and information‑security leaders through CUCCIO’s Leadership Development Program (LDP) and the Information Security Leadership Development Program (ISLDP). Hosts Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson welcome Bob Cook and Gayleen Gray, who helped design and lead these programs.
Together, they unpack how the programs work:
- Year‑long cohort model blending online learning with in‑person sessions
- Focus on leadership, not technology
- Exposure to CIOs, governance, budgeting, culture, and strategic planning
- Mentorship and community‑building across institutions
- Practical assignments including presentations coached by practicing CIOs
They also explore why understanding university governance, culture, academic freedom, and bicameral/tricameral systems is essential for anyone aspiring to IT leadership in higher education.
The conversation highlights how the programs support succession planning, broaden participants’ perspectives, and help them decide whether CIO leadership is truly the right path. Many graduates have gone on to CIO roles; others have discovered they prefer different leadership trajectories — both considered successful outcomes.
Book Recommendations:
Think Again - The Power of Knowing What you Don't Know : by Adam Grant
Dealing with Darwin by Geoffrey Moore

Mar 30, 2026
Mar 30, 2026
28 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson sit down with Nela Petkovic, CIO at Wilfrid Laurier University and a national leader in cybersecurity inclusion. Nella shares her career journey from systems analyst to CIO, reflecting on the importance of stretching yourself, building diverse teams, and creating space for others to lead.
The conversation explores how inclusion strengthens cybersecurity, why collaboration across institutions matters, and how initiatives like Inclusion in Cybersecurity Canada (ICC) and ONCHEC are reshaping the sector. Nella discusses the power of mentorship, the role of representation, and the cultural shifts happening as more women step into CIO and CISO roles across Canada.
We also dive into project initiation, governance, trust, and the slow, intentional work of building communities that feel ownership over institutional priorities. Whether you're a leader, aspiring leader, or someone passionate about cybersecurity culture, this episode offers practical insights and inspiring stories from across the Canadian higher‑ed landscape.
Book Reference:
Everything is Tuberculosis by Shawn Green

Mar 23, 2026
Mar 23, 2026
39 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo Wandschneider and Dana Sanderson sit down with Kevin Paul, Director of Cybersecurity at Cybera, whose unconventional path—from computer science to SWAT operator to cybercrime investigator—now shapes how he leads cybersecurity strategy for Alberta’s research and education sector.
Kevin shares how policing gave him a rare, full‑spectrum view of cyber incidents: from threat actors on the dark web to the victims dealing with real‑world consequences. That experience now informs how he approaches triage, speed of response, and the importance of collaboration in higher education.
The conversation explores:
- Why triage and rapid decision‑making
- —core policing skills—are essential in cybersecurity operations.
- The realities of higher‑ed governance, and why pre‑agreed authority and practice matter during fast‑moving incidents.
- Nation‑state and foreign‑actor risks, including how legitimate student credentials sometimes become initial access points.
- Why the perimeter is dead, and why detection and automated response are now the real battleground.
- Cybera’s shared SOC initiative, built directly from member CIO priorities.
- A groundbreaking partnership with Australia’s ARNet, enabling a follow‑the‑sun SOC model and shared detection IP across continents.
- How this work ties into national efforts like CANSOC, and why Canada needs a unified future-state vision for cybersecurity.
- Why people and processes—not platforms—are the real gold in cybersecurity.
This episode is a deep dive into the future of shared security, global collaboration, and the evolving threat landscape facing higher education.
Book Mentioned:
Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss

Mar 16, 2026
Mar 16, 2026
46 min
In this episode of Bytes of Experience, Bo and Dana sit down with long‑time colleague and leadership strategist Megan Kirwin for a deep exploration of what leadership in higher education really demands today. Megan reflects on her early days working with Mike Ridley, Bo, and the Guelph team, and how those formative experiences shaped her belief that leadership is fundamentally about presence, curiosity, and humanity.
Across two decades working with universities nationwide, Megan has seen cultures transform — and crumble — based on how leaders show up. She shares why the most effective leaders blend vision and perseverance with humility, vulnerability, and a genuine desire to understand others. Drawing on her work in positive psychology and the now‑well‑established research on vulnerability popularized by Brené Brown, Megan explains why conscious leadership is no longer optional in today’s stressed and reactive higher‑ed environment.
The conversation ranges from 360‑degree feedback and performance development, to trust‑building, to the fragility of organizational culture, to the legacy leaders leave in every micro‑moment. Megan also reflects on the wisdom passed down from her father — including the idea that leadership is really stewardship, walking beside rather than ahead.
This is a rich, reflective, and practical episode for anyone navigating leadership, culture, or change in higher education.
Refernces:
Dare to Lead: Brené Brown

Mar 9, 2026
Mar 9, 2026
31 min
This episode explores Scarborough’s extraordinary diversity and how it shaped one hospital leaders approach to inclusion, belonging, and employee experience. Michele, a former Executive VP at Scarborough Health Network, walks through the creation of Communities of Inclusion (COIs), the organization’s first employer brand (“SHN… where the world comes to work”), and the Equity, Diversity & Inclusion strategy that connected workplace culture with patient care.
She also breaks down the six “C‑words” of inclusive leadership (from Deloitte’s model):
Commitment, Courage, Cognizance of Bias, Curiosity, Cultural Intelligence, and Collaboration — and how these traits show up in daily leadership practice.
Michele also references the LEADS leadership capability framework (Lead Self, Engage Others, Achieve Results, Develop Coalitions, System Transformation) and shares insights from the ICD‑DEP103 program at Rotman, where she and Bo first met.
This episode is a masterclass in people‑centred leadership — in healthcare, higher ed, or any sector where culture is the real engine of performance.
Book Refernce:
Diffusion of Innovation by Everett M Rogers
🎧 Episodes released - Season 1 - Part 1
S01-E01 -Unfiltered CIOs: People, Power & Campus Tech - BETA
S01-E02 From Mainframes to the Cloud: Higher Ed IT Unfiltered - BETA
S01-E03 CIO Tightrope: Balancing Tech Strategy and Campus Culture - Part 1 - BETA
S01-E04 CIO Tightrope: When Innovation Meets Tradition: Navigating Cultural Conflict - Part 2 - BETA
S01-E05 Where IT Nightmares Become Leadership Legends—And Sometimes, Laughs. Part 1 - BETA
S01-E06 Where IT Nightmares Become Leadership Legends—And Sometimes, Laughs. Part 2 - BETA
S01-E07 - Guest Isaac Straley - The CISO Tightrope: Balancing Boards, CIOs, and Campus Culture
S01-E08 -Cutting Ourselves Short: IT Strategy and the Budget Crisis → Guest - Gayleen Gray, CTO, McMaster University
S01-E09 - Benchmarking for change: Uniforum and the University if Alberta Model Guest - Brian Stewart, CIO SFU (former Director Service Excellence Transformation UofA)
S01-E10 - IT Is Something You Do With People, Not To People → Guest Keith McWhirter, former Director of Experiential Partnerships & Programs, Smith School of Business, Queen’s University
S01-E11- How CUCCIO United Canada’s University CIOs: The Untold Story → Guest Lori McMullen, Founding Executive Director of CUCCIO
S01-E12- Beyond the Silo: Translating Tech into Transformation - CIO Meets COO → Guest Maroquine Aziz COO and Founder of TopFractionalExecs
S01-E13- Leading Culture, Not Just Controls: Cybersecurity in Higher Ed → Guest David Shipley CEO and Co Founder, Beauceron Security
S01-E14 - Stronger Together: A CanSSOC Conversation Guest Isaac Straley
S01-E15- Uniting Forces: How uOttawa Aligns IT for Impact Guest Martin Bernier, CIO University of Ottawa
S01-E16 Year in Review — Leadership, Trust, and the Human Side of Tech CO Hosts Dana Sanderson and Bo Wandschnieder
S01-E17- From Servers Under Desks to a National Strategy: The CIO’s Role in Shaping Canada’s Digital Research Future Guest Lori McMullen, Interim VP Operations & Strategy
S01-E18- - IT Leadership at the Board Table: Lessons from Marc Denoncourt, Retired CIO McGill University
S01-E19-The Human Side of Transformation: Mark Humphries on Listening, Culture, and Trust Guest Mark Humphries, CIO University of Alberta
S01-E20 When Auditors Meet CIOs: Building Trust in University IT Governance Guest Alex Matos, Executive Director of Internal Auditor University of Toronto
🎧 Episodes released - Season 1 - Part 2
S01-E21 - Beyond IT: How CIOs Win Influence in the Boardroom Guest Kevin Magee, Global Director Cybersecurity Startups @ Microsoft for StartUps , University Board Member Brock University and UPEI
S01-E22-Crossing Systems, Building Culture: Jason Oliver on Leading Higher Ed IT in Canada
Guest Jason Oliver - CIO Western University
S01-E23- When Libraries and IT Converge: A Decade of Leadership at the University of Guelph
Guest Mike Ridley
S01-E24-Leading Across Borders: Higher Ed IT Lessons
Guest Richard Godsmark
S01-E25- Process Is Strategy: Gary Doucette on Culture, Change, and Continuous Improvement
Guest Gary Doucette - Strategic Advisor, Acadia University
01-E26-People First: How Culture Transforms Healthcare
Guest Michele James
S01-E27 - Curiosity, Consciousness, and Culture Change in Higher Ed Guest Meghan Kirwin
S01-E28: Stronger Together: Shared Security Models and Global Cyber Partnerships Guest - Kevin Paul - Cybera
S01-E29-Leading with Inclusion: Nela Petkovic on Collaboration, Culture, and Cybersecurity Guest - Nela Petkovic CIO Wilfred Laurier University
S01-E30 -Growing IT Leaders: Inside Cuccio’s Leadership Development Program Guests - Bob Cook, CUCCIO LDP Program Leader; Gayleen Gray, AVP & CTO McMaster University
S01-E31-Leading with Heart and Strategy: Lessons from the Toughest Guest - Sandeep Sidhu , CIO Emily Carr University of Art and Design
S01-E32 - The Power of Human Connection: Why Leaders Can’t Ignore It Anymore Guest - Pete Bombaci, Genwell
S01-E33-Leading Across Campus Cultures: Michael Barr on Polytech, Non‑U15, and U15 Realities Guest - Michael Barr, CIO USask
S01-E34 - From the Court to the Core: Ray Darling on Leadership, Data, and Student Experience Guest - Ray Darling , Registrar University of Windsor
S01-E35- Leadership in Practice: Lessons from a CUCCIO LDP Graduate Guest - Darren Schell, CIO University of Lethbridge
🎧 Future Episodes
(Working titles)
National Cybersecurity Collaboration: Where We Are, What’s Working, and What’s Holding Us Back
Guest - Axel Schulz , CANARIE
Advocacy, Research Ecosystems, and the Future of Sovereign Compute
Guest - Jennifer Arbour, AWS
Please send us your ideas for future episodes:
feedback@BytesofExperience.ca

Bo Wandschneider - Co Host
Bo Wandschneider is a nationally respected leader in higher education IT, known for driving innovation, resilience, and strategic transformation. As the recently retired CIO of the University of Toronto, Bo led one of Canada’s largest higher ed IT organizations through pivotal change—including the rapid shift to virtual learning and remote operations during the COVID-19 pandemic. His leadership fostered agility, cohesion, and a deep culture of service during a time of disruption.
In 2024, Bo was named CUCCIO CIO of the Year, recognizing his outstanding contributions to the sector and his role in shaping the future of digital infrastructure in Canadian higher education.
Bo’s influence reaches across Canada through his work on cybersecurity initiatives like ORION ON-CHEC and CANARIE’s CanSSOC, where he was a founding member. He’s also held senior roles at Queen’s University and the University of Guelph, and is a trusted collaborator among CIOs nationwide—championing shared solutions and sector-wide progress.
Renowned for building high-performing teams and empowering others, Bo leads with a collaborative ethos and a commitment to cultural transformation. He creates environments where innovation thrives, people feel valued, and institutions evolve to meet the future. His work is rooted in partnership—connecting organizations to achieve more together than they could alone.

Dana Sanderson - Co Host
Dana Sanderson recently retired as Chief Information Officer at the University of Prince Edward Island (UPEI), where he spent over a decade leading transformative initiatives that modernized the university’s technology landscape. A UPEI alumnus with an MBA from the University of Ottawa, Dana spearheaded UPEI’s first enterprise-wide ERP implementation, overhauled campus network infrastructure, and championed digital solutions that enhanced the student experience and supported institutional sustainability. Earlier in his career, Dana worked for J.D. Irving, Limited in a number of IT leadership roles.
With more than 25 years of IT leadership experience at J.D. Irving, Limited and UPEI Dana has a strong reputation as a strategic leader and “bridge-builder” between business needs and technology solutions. He actively represented the interests of UPEI as well as the Atlantic region through his board and member contributions to NBPEIECN, NREN, DRAC, and CUCCIO. His contributions to the Canadian higher education IT community were recognized with the 2023 CUCCIO Community Award, and he was a finalist for the 2019 ITAC Canadian CIO of the Year Award.

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